Where is Istanbul ?

This is the question…

A couple of weeks ago, Istanbul was placed under Asia in the list… Today, it is under Middle East.

I, on the other hand, think that Istanbul is in Europe !

Are we all blind or shall we just let this be ?

Just go to Metboards and support the true place of Istanbul in the list.

This might look like a minor detail but it is not !

9 Comments so far

  1. Meral (unregistered) on May 15th, 2006 @ 9:46 am

    THANKS Metecem!!!

    I was wondering why Istanbul bloggers haven’t said anything about the ‘constant journey of Istanbul from Asia to Middle East’ (i.e., why Istanbul is classified as and Asian city first, then as a Middle East city).

    And a few days ago I contacted Metblogs via e-mail to inform them as an Istanbul resident I have never perceived that Istanbul is moving to and fro, from Asia to Middle East, on the contrary she has been remaining between Black Sea and Marmara Sea, alongside Bosphorus, and apart from this geographial fact some other things such as Istanbul’s climate also indicates that Istanbul IS NOT a part of Middle East.

    Well… Hope to hear from them soon! I don’t mean to hear from them personally, to see Istanbul is classified where she actually is will be enough!

  2. metecem (unregistered) on May 15th, 2006 @ 12:06 pm

    Thats the point I am trying to make, too…

    Unfortunately nobody seems to care…

  3. seyda (unregistered) on May 15th, 2006 @ 6:41 pm

    i have not noticed it and it personally does not matter to me whether istanbul is considered to be european or eastern. but if this bothers you too much, please note that this is something to be discussed among the authors and not for our audience in general, let alone the “support istanbul” thing (???) and “shall we just let this happen” sort of cliche. we are not standing up against some obscure authority people here, there is clearly a misunderstanding. dropping a line to me or to the authors list would have sufficed.

  4. Meral (unregistered) on May 15th, 2006 @ 8:31 pm

    I’m sorry Seyda, but I don’t understand why how Istanbul is considered an Asian, a Middle Eastern or a European city is none of our (i.e. your “audience in general”) business, but something to be discussed among authors. What is the difference between this post and others which were about Hagia Sophia, Beşiktaş fans, a concert, etc etc etc and so readers’ comments were welcomed there (I assume so, and if not please let me know so I won’t bother to post a comment), yet we shouldn’t have something to say about the confusion of Istanbul’s location!? It’s clear that Metblog ‘authorities’ do have a confusion where Istanbul is from the fact that they first classify it under Asian cities and then Middle East. And I’m not saying that they should have known (though if one starts something that contains cities all over the world and makes a classification due to the location of cities,then s/he should have a known/learned basic geography-that’s what I expect, at least), but if they weren’t sure where to locate Istanbul they could have contacted authors to ask!
    This discussion has two sides: one is how Istanbul is considered; whether European or Eastern. And the other is about kind of random placement of Istanbul on world. I didn’t say anything about the former (not because I don’t have anything to say) but about the latter because, though you consider it as a minor point, for me such randomness is carelessness and I didn’t like it! I like to see care, attention in something I like and sure I like Metblogs and love Istanbul (I hate this city also!)and so I objected random placing of Istanbul!
    I don’t think so neither Metecem’s nor my point is ” “support istanbul” thing (???) and “shall we just let this happen” sort of cliche” or if mine is, still I’m ok with my point neverminding it is a cliche (I cannot talk on behalf of Metecem:-)).

    And one last thing: all standing ups, objections etc should not necessarily have to be against “some obscure authority people”, they can be and they are raised against misunderstandings also.

  5. seyda (unregistered) on May 15th, 2006 @ 9:27 pm

    meral, istanbul’s belonging to one continent or another is a “general” and longstanding issue among us turks and all are welcome to discuss it here on the blog as long as it is interesting and has to do with our lives in the city. my problem with the entry is that, metecem has presented the confusion of the “authorities” as something to unite against and i find this out of place. i mean, what is the point of “supporting the true place of istanbul” (whatever that should mean) when you can write an e-mail as an author and correct the mistake? there are no “authorities per se” here, just people trying to hold these sites in place and the general policy of the metblogs is that, if there is a technical problem or some sort of problem that has to do with the design, usability, etc. of the sites, the authors discuss it among themselves or with the captains and founders, try to correct the problems and/or make suggestions. so, this makes the map issue an “internal” issue. might be trivial for some and objectifiable for others but there is no need to generate a discussion of “us and others” (in all senses of the term) out of a tiny mistake.

    i would also like to thank you for your loyalty as a reader.
    a takimi hassasiyetinin verdiği yorgunlukla,
    yours sincerely

  6. metecem (unregistered) on May 16th, 2006 @ 7:29 am

    I really do not like to be the one picking on stuff ( as I am wellknown as the aggressive tongue), nor do I want to “attack” one of the “authorities” of MB.

    But …

    The placement of a city in a list of continents is a direct opinion given to the reader, at least for me, which again would mean if a reader who knows nothing about istanbul comes to the page after seeing the list, s/he will believe istanbul is in Asia or Middle East for the rest of her/his life (the simple “seeing is believing” effect). This fact alone makes the subject a common discussion topic, rather than an “internal matter”.

    As to the heading, what should I say? If we, as authors, shall not handle a little bit of metaphoric writing or even ironic headings, we should start thinking over the thing we are doing.

    As Meral put it : “…for me such randomness is carelessness…” and she has a huge point here.

    Istanbul has been the door to Europe for centuries. I am really not into Turkish nationalist thoughts but the Ottoman Empire was considered to be right in the middle of Europe after 1453 so how come can we list this city under Middle East ?

    I should also admit that I have held myself back long enough about this “carelessness” but as a good friend, Till (co-author in MB Berlin) also wrote an email to me about this, I thought this should be discussed.

    I think the reaction is not exaggerated. All I expect is perhaps a short email from the “authority” and a change of the list.

  7. Meral (unregistered) on May 17th, 2006 @ 8:09 am

    The error was corrected.
    Thanks for those of you who had contributed. (And Seyda there is not even a bit sarcasm in my thanking you! The fact that you didn’t agree with Metecem and me, doesn’t mean you hadn’t contributed! Arguments and different point of views are really important. By the way, I liked your witty of combining “us vs others”:-) )

  8. Di (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 8:01 pm

    I used to define Istanbul as ‘everything and more’. Who could be precise about Istanbul … it’s Europe for sure, it’s Asia too, it’s post-modern and ancient and everything in-between; it’s spans the Middle East and the West (whatever they are) … just accept it’s spectacular and no more of this definitive definition stuff :)

  9. Selma Mirza (unregistered) on May 29th, 2006 @ 9:01 am

    It does not matter where Istanbul belongs. She’s an entity by herself, a beautiful city by the sea. Whether she belongs to Europe, Asia or the Middle East is a debatable questions, and is not an important one, like most debatable topics.

    She’s the queen, I’m sure everybody wants to have her.

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